I was on the phone with a customer from Texas yesterday. He started complaining about how the seed varieties keep getting smaller and smaller. Of course, these "researchers," are not interested in how the gins might have to deal with these, they are only interested in money and turn-out, the gins be damned.
Three years ago, I wrote an article about the problem small seed varieties are causing the gins. Today, based on my conversation with the Texas ginner, it appears the problem is just as bad as ever. In the pursuit of the "all mighty" yield, the seed keeps getting smaller and smaller. Big players like Monsanto and Bayer and others are right in the middle of giving the growers these nuggets and then the gin has to deal with them. The trade off for yield is potentially lower grades due to loss of seed into lint cleaners and motes, and certainly not enough seed in the seed pile outside. At what point are these new varieties "too small" for the gins to handle effectively? I think we are there. Read the blog I wrote 3 years ago, I have attached it here. Also know Vandergriff Inc has made some modifications to help in this area and it tested out well in Australia. So we will continue down this path trying to do our part to help with this issue.
Updated August, 2018.
For at least the last 50 years, many things have come down the pike that have in one way or another affected cotton ginners and the operation of the gin. I use the word "external" in the title because ginners and gin plant owners usually are involved very little in the discussions regarding these changes, but of course they are heavily involved modifying their gins to accommodate them. By now, I think many of you are getting the drift of this, so I won't go into specific details regarding these types of situations that have come the gins way over the years. I have often wondered just how much "gin people" have been brought into this loop when these types of things start to get discussed. Maybe there are some committees or some "superficial" attempts to get ginner input, but one has to wonder just how well is the ginning side of the equation really represented? I have seen some bad scenarios come the gins way that led to very costly modifications. I doubt that the cost was shared in any way, and it fell squarely on the owner or owners of the gin.
Today, there is much R&D and competition among big cotton seed breeders to get seed to the grower and farmer that will significantly increase yield of cotton per acre. We all know who the big players in this game are. While R&D on this side of the equation has done, and continues to do much good, it would not be beneficial to have this research backfire on the other side of the equation and cause the gins difficulty. In order to obtain these types of increased per acre yields, in many cases the seed have become smaller and smaller. When these small seed cannot be extracted from the fiber at the gin stand, or they simply "slip through: the ribs, they pass on through to the lint cleaners. Here, they are ground up and mixed into the lint. This will affect the grade of this fiber in a very negative way. This of course will not be well received by the farmer who wants and expects the best grades possible from the gin. It is important to know that some ginning operations are starting to show concern over these little seed, and their ability to gin it.
Gins that use products of Vandergriff Research, more specifically The Vandergriff Gin rib, have a great deal of success in removing the seed from the fiber during the ginning process. The seed is extracted, cleaned thoroughly and then heads on down the line where it is supposed to go. Over a 21 year period, Vandergriff Ribs have established a sterling reputation in terms of overall performance in the gin stand, and preventing the loss of seed of all seed varieties. The key to our success is unparalleled precision in all critical areas of the rib. Cast ribs can not handle this situation. Foreign made ribs where precision should be paramount, simply falls way short in these critical areas. We want the ginning industry to know that we are closely monitoring this situation related to these new varieties of seed, and will respond to it in regions most affected, should this continue to be a problem. It is important to note and understand, that is possible for the seed to get too small to effectively remove it by any means from the cotton. Hopefully the ginning industry will have a dialogue with seed breeders about this important issue and monitor it closely, just as we are. The ginning industry is to be commended for the way it has responded to all the challenges that have come its way over the years and will continue to try and meet all new challenges that come its way in the future. We are proud to be a part of that.
If you are having trouble with little seed, let Chris Nachtmann or Loyd know when you call to talk about ordering ribs. We can discuss making some modifications for you that will give you some help in dealing with this serious issue.
Updated February 4th, 2020
A year or so ago, Loyd wrote a blog on the use of cylinder cleaning in the ginning operation. Today, most are referred to as Horizontal Cleaner arrangements. This has been a trend that has come and gone. and now returned again. Can you have too many cylinders in your ginning operation? Of course you can. Can they ultimately damage the cotton? Of course they can. I am giving you the link to the blog related to all of this. Click on it and go check it out.
Consolidated forgings are arriving and the are all sold before we even start machining them. They will be ready in a month to six weeks and then will ship out. If you still are interested in Consolidated Ribs for your gin stands give us a call and get on a second run list.
Gin That Cotton
Words and Music by Loyd Vandergriff
We are moving into the New Year quite rapidly. After I wrote the blog on Consolidated ribs, orders starting coming in. Good for us, even better for you. The Vandergriff Rib for Consolidated Gin Stands will eliminate your ribs issues and you can concentrate on other issues in your ginning operation you might have. Consolidated Stands are a Product of Vandergriff Research, but the gin rib from the factory is not a Vandergriff Rib.
A quick word on Continental Gin Ribs. They are currently marketing a new rib, and telling potential customers it is as good as "The Vandergriff Rib." Don't fall for it. One of our customers admitted to trying a set, and said they had to send 255 ribs before he could get enough straight ones to get him a set of 161's. Then, they had to heavily shim the rest. They clearly have issues with straightness and precision. Once installed, more issues arose when ginning, like tags and rib fires. These ribs are manufactured in India. The Vandergriff Rib represents USA research, development and manufacturing at its best. It's Made in America. The quality shows. No foreign made rib can compete with it.
We are also taking orders for Lummus gin stands as well. The sooner you get your orders in, the quicker your rib delivery will be.
We appreciate your business and trust in the Vandergriff Gin Rib. That industry standard for over 20 years.
We are developing tooling and will have all models of Consolidated Gin Ribs available in approximately 3 months. If you need these ribs, you need to call and get on the waiting list. This will reserve your sets for you.
Phone: 704-495-0296 (CNC Performance Engineering)
559-324-8848 (Loyd Vandergriff)
We make em for 112 and 164
We make em for 198, 184, 222
These are Vandergriff Ribs. You will have no performance issues like cheap ribs made in China, India or even Pakistan.
We are the leaders in gin rib technology and performance.
Loyd Wrote a song called, Ginning Cotton. He is providing you with the link below to the YouTube Video of it.
As the season winds down, starting considering placing your orders for Vandergriff Ribs. You will them before the rush. Also, if you need Consolidated Ribs, get your order in. The Vandy Rib with make those gin stands hum baby.
Most of you are ginning some cotton now. Hope the season has got off to a great start for you and the weather has been cooperative. We continued to sell Vandergriff Ribs right into the season. Some simply waited to see how the crop was going to look, and some started ginning and found out that their existing ribs were just not going to hack it. You know, those Indian or Chinese ribs. They don't put too much priority on accuracy and strength. I am somewhat surprised they sell em to you knowing full well there will be trouble coming.
For this season in the USA, we started machining ribs in mid-February and to date almost 8,000 forgings have gone through the CNC Machines and delivered to customers. A great deal of these were Continental Game Changer ribs, but we also sold our share of Vandergriff Ribs for Lummus gin stands as well. Some of these orders came rather late, but we got them to the customer. We also had some calls for Consolidated ribs, but these simply came too late to respond to. But we will get Consolidated ribs back into the product line for next season. Don't ever give up on those Consolidated Gin Stands. They are beasts. They just need a good rib. From the 164 to the 198 to the 222, our rib will make these stands hum. Also the workhorse 184 that has those Vandergriff 181 spacings incorporated into it, we can fix you up as well. If you want these for next season, give us a call ASAP and get on the list to ensure that you get them.
Some gin manufacturers have gone even narrower with their saw spacings. When you are dealing with these very narrow saw spacings, it is even more imperative that have a strong and accurate rib. There is no room for error. We can make these for you. It's what we do. Give us a call regarding these as well. (704) 495-0296.
You can always call Loyd Vandergriff as well. 559-324-8848. He is around and going nowhere. He is just taking life more easy and making damn good music.
Have a great season!
A lot of cotton defoliated now, so I hope all the gin installations are complete. Again, a great year for gin rib sales for the Vandergriff Rib. Thanks to all the customers that put their trust in our product. Wishing you a great season. If you need anything call the gin rib hotline. It's right here on the website under contact on the menu tab.
I am cruising, enjoying life. I talk to customers when they call with questions for sure. I am always glad to help, but I have turned the rib operation over to Chris Nachtmann and CNC Performance Engineering and he is letting his assistant Tammy Rogero pretty much run it. She is quite capable and most certainly will get you what you need.
I taught High School History and Government for 19 years and ran Vandergriff Inc. for 24. I saw a good opportunity to pull back and I took it. Sho did.
Here is a little video of my latest trip over to the Central Coast of California. Just click the link.
Appreciate all of you. Best of luck ginnin that cotton!
Summer is almost over and that cotton is popping up all across the country. They are ginning down in South Texas. Manufacturers are scrambling to get equipment installations completed. It was a good year domestically here in the USA for the Vandergriff Gin Rib. Well over 7,000 ribs CNC Machined since February of this year. I made a YouTube Video for you to check out about what is going on. I hope you get off to a great start in the USA ginning that cotton soon. If you have a big new gin stand that you invested tons of money in, I hope it has the Vandergriff Rib in it. It deserves it, not some inferior rib made in China, India, or even god forbid Pakistan. Let it gin like it should. Don't let inferior ribs be a cause of issues for you.
CNC Machined. Held to close tolerances. No crooked ribs that will get into saws and cause rib fires, break and mess up your saws. They just gin. They pay for themselves very quickly.
Vandergriff Roots are heavily embedded in Texas. I am going to see my dad's sister Eva. She is 91 and the last of the 4 original Vandergriff Siblings. My dad was the oldest. They have a rich heritage in cotton and living a hard rural life. I made a video for you to check out.
I hope everyone had a good 4th. We are now on the downhill side of summer much to the chagrin of some cotton gin manufacturers that have deadlines to meet. :) We are now finishing up running Vandy Ribs for Lummus Gin Stands and they will be shipping out soon. Then, we will make one more run of our Game Changer Rib for Continental Gin Stands. Once this run is complete, that will be it. There are people on a waiting list who will get their ribs from this run, and we will have a few sets still left to sell, but we will be stocking spares for this upcoming season in the USA and will not sell them to fill orders that come in way too late.
On a different subject, I finally found a letter from Don Van Doorn of Lummus Corporation written to my dad in 2003. I had really given up on ever finding it, but when I was cleaning out an old briefcase, there it was. I am not sure many of "this generation," know the contributions my father made to Lummus during his tenure there as chief engineer and Executive Vice President. I think Mr. Van Doorn makes this pretty clear in this letter. If you are fortunate enough to have a copy of his book, "Ginning Cotton, An Entrepreneur's Story," read Chapter 3. Vandergriff at Lummus. It will further enlighten you as to his many contributions there. This chapter of Lummus history is one they need not shy away from any longer.
Vandy at Lummus. Gin Stand modifications to get an increase in capacities. Product line overhaul to get plants to handle increased trash from machined picked cotton. His designs made cotton ginned on Lummus plants the favorite of all textile mills. Notice the logo on the gin stand. Lummus has gone back to this today.
Loyd personally writes the blogs and provides updates on what is going on with Vandy Inc and the industry in general.