Our competitors like to talk a lot now about the fact that they have a steel rib. The question is, what process did they use to end up with this type of rib. Answer? All of our competitors use the casting process. This process is inherently inferior to the forging process we use. Their ribs are approximately 34% lighter than ours when you pick one up. Where's the beef? When you can have up to 300 HP motors running on the roll box, good luck. There are always issues with tags and rib fires. Why? Accuracy. Precision. And...they just don't have it quite right in a key section of the rib itself. Vandergriff Ribs are forged from 1018 USA High Grade Steel Shafting. The forging process we use is proprietary. We have worked at this and used this method since 1995. This forging is then CNC Machined, and you end up with a solid, strong and accurate gin rib. The process we use is not cheap. Our profit margins have always been on the low side to keep us competitive in the marketplace. What some companies charge for a steel rib with a wearplate using the casting process....well it's about the same as we charge, and their cost of production is considerably lower.
Note this Lummus Cast rib and the price.
Other ribs are manufactured in India. Yes. They are cheaper. But they have always had performance issues. They still do. We constantly get calls during the gin season about Komet Ribs, asking if we can help them out. Of course we can. They like to talk about their steel ribs as well, but again...they use the casting process to make them.
Yes, Cast ribs. Made in India.
Cheaper is not always better when you are fighting ribs fires, tags and even broken saws. And..the fact of the matter is they are not all that much cheaper than ours now. Some are even more expensive. I have heard one company charges $70.00 or more for one of their ribs and they still use the casting process to make it.
Vandergriff Inc./CNC Performance Engineering do not have have a sales force out in the field selling our ribs. But our competitors do, and they don't always give you correct information. The only way we can combat the competition is through social media and blogs such as this. My criticism of competitors ribs is simply combating and responding to the competition. I have been involved and successful with this for over 25 years.
I know planting season is upon us now, and I hope you have a great crop, and a great ginning season as well.
In the last blog, I talked about the importance of accuracy and strength when it comes to gin ribs. I wanted to elaborate a little more on this.
For years, (since the 1980's) the standard saw spacing in gin stands was the one used in Continental 161, Lummus 170 and Consolidated 164. Other companies used this same spacing. Their older model gin stands had an even wider saw spacing. Then in 1997, A.L Vandergriff converted a Continental 161 gin stand to a 181 at Elbow Gin in California. This gin stand with this new spacing, ran relatively unnoticed until approximately 2005 or so. Then, it caught on like wild fire. All companies begin to convert and build their new gin stands with this "Elbow Gin" spacing. Of course once the saw spacings are narrowed, the gin ribs must be as well. This means a narrower rib must "hold up" under the pressures caused by increased horsepower, and increased volume of cotton in the roll box. With this new dynamic, your gin ribs better be strong and accurate. Ribs that have been manufactured using the casting process fall short. 1). They are not strong enough. 2). They are not nearly accurate enough. So, you get rib fires, tags and the loss of seed. But lets keep moving forward until the present time. Saw spacings have become even narrower. Now you are dealing with a very thin rib that must hold up to the pressures of extreme horsepower and again, more volume of cotton in the roll box. (Some companies address the issue of seed discharge with mixed results, but the volume of cotton in these long roll boxes is still, very heavy) With this current situation, it is imperative to have strong and accurate gin ribs. Some companies have made some strides in improving their ribs to get them to hold up under these conditions, but the manufacturing process they use causes their efforts to still fall short. If you are going to gin with these new saw spacings, the Vandergriff Rib will meet all the criteria to allow your gin stand to perform without rib issues. The forging process we use allows our forgings to simply be machined down to the proper specifications. Chris Nachtmann of CNC Performance engineering, and his family have been involved with this for over 25 years. They know what they are doing. From the design of the tooling for the forgings, to all the programs for the CNC Machines, they have developed it. Chris is the absolute leader in the industry when it comes to CNC machining as it relates to gin ribs. I can not stress enough the need for strength and accuracy of your ribs with these narrower saw spacings. With less room between ribs, saws can easily get into the ribs. These new spacings most certainly push the envelope as to how narrow you can actually go. Their success ultimately hinges on a rib that will respond to the challenge. That rib is of course, The Vandergriff Gin Rib. The leader in the industry for over 25 years.
The Problem of little seed varieties.
Over the past few years, little seed varieties have become a pain in the ass for Cotton Ginners. I wrote an article addressing this concern several years ago. The basic premise of it was that "the gin," is the last person consulted when changes are made outside their operation, but still bears the brunt of the change. This was the case with the little seed varieties. Today, the little varieties of seed persist, and with that...the problems.
Over the past couple of seasons, we have worked with an Australian ginning outfit to help them with their problem of losing little seed. I studied this problem diligently for a long time and came up with an idea that I felt should really help in this area. We applied this change and the results were well received, and little seed loss for all practical purposes was eliminated. Given this success, we decided to apply this change to all models of our Vandergriff Gin Ribs for this upcoming gin season. If these little varieties of seed are still causing you grief, consider our newly modified rib. Not only does this modification help, but of course you get the rest of what comes with the Vandergriff Rib, superiority in performance across the board.
Competitors now want to talk about their "Steel Rib." There is only one problem. They still use a casting process to achieve it. This process is inherently inferior. Vandergriff Inc. is the only company to use a "forging process," to ultimately get the finished product. This forged rib comes from 1018 USA steel, not cheap foreign steel. It is machined with CNC equipment, to get the industries most accurate, strongest rib on the market today. These bigger wider gin stands on the market today have narrower saw spacings which means more ribs and more saws. So to get the stand to operate a peak efficiency, much more horsepower must be applied to the roll box. This puts extreme pressure on the gin ribs. This is where the Vandergriff Rib shines. Ginning under these type of conditions.
Competitors are constantly making changes to their rib models, some on a yearly basis, to try and compete with the Vandergriff Rib. They always fall short. If little seed varieties are still a problem for you, consider the Vandergriff Rib. If your ribs are a maintenance nightmare, you need the Vandergriff Rib. Your ribs issues will be behind you, and you can focus on others aspects of your ginning operation.
I would like to take this opportunity to wish all customers and friends of Vandergriff Inc., a very Merry Christmas. I am hoping the new year will be a much better one with vaccines on the horizon. I hope everyone will be able to get a good crop planted this spring and your yields will be fantastic. Click on the link for a little video I made for you.
All the best,
President, Vandergriff Inc.
Our competition is coming out with what they like to call "A Steel Rib." Don't be fooled. It is steel, but a casting process is used to complete it. Using the cast method to produce a steel rib leaves a lot to be desired in terms of accuracy and strength. If they are CNC Machined at all, it would be around the perimeter of the rib only.
The Vandergriff Rib is made from 1018 steel shafting and placed in proprietary tooling owned by CNC Performance Engineering. When the forging hammer comes down hard with the steel in our tooling, out comes a beautiful forged raw part. Because of this tooling, the forging comes out in the shape and contour of our rib. After this, we place them in our CNC Machines and run them through 4 operations. Then, you end up with a Vandergriff Rib, made from a steel forging. This process is much stronger and incorporates much more precision in critical areas of the rib to get it to the final part. Our ribs are accurate, straight and strong. Much more so than steel cast ribs. Those COMET ribs being sold to Continental customers are a fricking disaster. We know. We get the calls. Tagging, fires, breakage. People are desperate to get them out and ours in. Don't fall for those.
So when you hear companies tell you they have a steel rib, the casting process has been used to get the final product. It does not come anywhere near the strength of our rib or the accuracy. Gin Ribs are what we do. We started the process using forgings to CNC Machine back in 1994. There has been little competition come our way in terms of quality. We are the only manufacturer that uses machines a steel forging.
If you are having issues with existing ribs, give us a call. We can help you.
Summer is getting away from us and it has been a HOT one. I hope you have about finished up with repairs and the season is shaping up to be a good one in spite of the CVOID-19 troubles. We have plenty of wearplates and ribs in stock if you need them. Give Chris or Tammy a call at CNC Performance Engineering and they will fix you up. (704) 495-0296.
Here is a little video I just did set to my song "Jimmy's Juke Joint."
Have a great start to the season. Call us if ya need us.
We are rollin into June. Here comes the heat. I hope the cotton crop is coming along well. We seem to have opened up enough to let this happen. There is some optimism beginning to show about the upcoming ginning season. We have plenty of Vandergriff Ribs for you. Don't settle for "Chinese Ribs," or foreign made ribs when you have an American company that clearly makes a superior product. You will get very tired of spending money on new saws because your ribs failed. The downtime and cost to change out saws can easily pay for a set of our ribs. Then you are finished with that nightmare. If you are running gin stands with "the narrowest saw spacing in the industry," you especially need Vandergriff Ribs. These narrower saw spacings require strength and accuracy. If you don't have these two components, then you are in trouble. Some of you are and have been. We can help.
Have a great summer. Stay cool and stay safe.
Vandergriff Ribs have been the leader in gin rib technology for 25 years.
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Why are you running ribs from China?
Greetings. This pandemic has certainly thrown a monkey wrench into our way of doing business. I hope now that we have started to gradually re-open here in the USA, conditions will remain favorable for a good crop and good ginning season in the early fall.
CNC Performance Engineering has just received some beautiful forgings for Continental Gin Stands and machining is getting ready to start. It is not too late to get orders in. Call and ask for Tammy Rogero. (704) 495-0296) She will get you fixed up, not only for Continental Ribs but for all models of ribs and wearplates. Many of you still purchase ribs from China. Consider the source. Consider the quality. Consider performance. These foreign made ribs simply can not compete with Vandergriff Ribs. Our ribs have set the standard for 25 years. It is what we do.
Stay safe. Wishing you the best of luck.
May 5, 2020
Chris Nachtmann and Tammy Rogero of CNC Performance Engineering will be representing the Vandergriff Gin Rib at the Mid-South Farm and Gin Show. They will be in booth 9105. The booth is beautiful, and they will have some nice swag too. All models of Ribs are on display. Also of extreme interest is a video Chris has that shows a Chinese Foundry making 161 Ribs for a Continental Gin Stand. Mercy. No wonder they have strength and accuracy issues. Make sure to check it out.
Loyd made a little video set to his song, "Ginning Cotton," for you to check out. It's about the CNC Performance Engineering and Vandergriff Inc. They have been working together for well over 20 years in this gin rib business. It's no wonder the Vandergriff Rib is the Gold Standard in the Industry. Click the link below.
Wishing you a great gin show 2020!
Most have finished their seasons ginning cotton here in the USA. I hope it was a good year for all of you. We are off to a very good start with Vandy Ribs this season. Chris Nachtmann had inventories built up well to deal with the initial orders that came in, and we were able to ship sets of ribs right out. Currently, we are finishing up a big Consolidated Run. All of these ribs are sold. There could very well be a second run later if demand dictates this. We have Continental Game Changer Ribs and Vandy Ribs for Lummus Gin Stands as well. These ribs are CNC machined from 1018 steel forgings. Precision and accuracy are paramount. Certain critical areas of the rib require precision. Each rib is identical, no shimming. It is difficult for little seed to sneak through. We have been doing this for along time and have it down what we need to do to get these ribs to you the customer, in awesome shape, ready to gin at maximum efficiency. There is still plenty of time for you to call and get the ribs you need for your ginning operation. Make this initial investment, then move on to address other areas of your operation. You won't have to hassle with gin ribs anymore.
If you missed it, here is Loyd's song about Ginning Cotton. Just click the link.
Loyd will not be at the Mid-South Farm and Gin show this year, but Chris Nachtmann of CNC Performance Engineering will. He can answer your questions and fill any needs you might have regarding ribs and wearplates. I am sorry I can't make it. I miss visiting and chatting with many of you that have become good friends over the years.
Loyd personally writes the blogs and provides updates on what is going on with Vandy Inc and the industry in general.